Test Review Us Amde Rolling Falling Block Rifles 44 Mag

07-18-2018,x:58 PM

I take several .44 Magnum rifles that do not shoot accurately with boolits over 240 grains due to their 1 in 38" rifling twist rates. I take wanted a nice single shot .44 Magnum rifle with a faster twist barrel for 280 and 310 grain boolits. I have considered finding an old rolling block action and rebarreling it for .44 Magnum to fill this niche, but costs of well over $1000 for action, butt and gunsmithing have kept me from acting. Pedersoli makes replica rollers for pistol quotient cartridges for effectually $1250 but no .44 magnum.

A friend turned me on to the Tippmann Arsenal rolling block rifles. Fabricated entirely in the United states of americaA, they offer Rolling block rifles in .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, and .45-70 Government chambering for effectually $900. I chosen and talked to their representative and they practise rifle their .44 Magnum barrels with a 1 in 20 twist rate. I missed my take chances to social club one when Lone Star was nonetheless making their rolling cake rifles since I couldn't come up with the $1500 downward payment (and a ane-year waiting period) on a $3000+ rifle.

At $899, the Tippmann roller seems similar a real bargain especially if made here in the U.S. so I bought it. I realize I should accept posted questions nigh Tippmann Armory rolling block rifles on this forum for feed-dorsum before ordering, but he who hesitates is lost. Anyone on this forum accept any experience with their rifles?

07-18-2018,11:38 PM

I read negative stuff from people that have never touched i. I like the looks of the gun myself. I'm betting its a fine shooting single shot. Post a review of the gun Afterwards you get some shots down range. Can't wait to hear how it does.

07-18-2018,11:59 PM

Unfortunately my feel was very negative. I purchased a .357 version used, but looked almost unfired. I soon found out why, it shot 38 spl fine simply when you fired full power .357 it would suffer instance caput separations on every round. I realized that the hammer jump pushed the block closed just if you pulled back on the block with the hammer downward you could slide a .025" thickness gage into the chamber area. Which I'm guessing is why the 38 spl cases survived just the .357s did non.

When I disassembled the rifle I found the ii pins measured .370, the holes in the activeness and the block measured .376-.377, but the pivot pigsty for the hammer measured .394. I contacted Tippmann and after getting to speak to a few different people and sending pictures of the two slice cases and my measurements to an engineer I was told to send my rifle in for service (they paid aircraft).

When I received my rifle back I institute that the had fitted a thicker plate to the breech face of the cake to take up the slack in the lockup mechanism only had non replace the hammer. When I test fired it I found that the cases stayed in one piece but now had the case head at a v to 10 deg bending to the body of the instance. It also put a rather severe crease most one-half mode up the case wall. And it would puncture primers due to an excessively long firing pin.

I contacted Tippmann again and they put me in contact with the "tech" that had worked on my rifle and he had me send back the to be looked at again. About a week later I got a call back from the "tech" saying that he had sent my rifle dorsum to me. He said that the case angle wasn't actually that bad but he had shortened the firing pin and thrown in a 2d firing pivot simply in example. Which I did think was a dainty thing to do.

When I asked almost the creases in the cases he said he found a deep scratch in the bedchamber merely that he had "buffed it out" When I inquired what exactly he had done, he said he just took some emery fabric and "polished" it till he couldn't see the scratch whatsoever more. When examination firing after reviving the burglarize back I plant that there was now only a slight crease in the now bloated area of the case.

After that repair I decided that I actually didn't want them working on my rifle any more and stuck it in the back of the safe with a biting taste in my mouth. Where it yet waits for me to detect the motivation to take it on as a project or sell information technology to someone I really don't like.

This all took place last year and so maybe they've gotten their ducks in a row in the mean time. Hopefully your rifle is great from the start, I really wanted to like mine simply now i get frustrated every time I look at it.

07-19-2018,01:twenty AM

My question would be ...do these guys really know anything near making guns,or is it a "niche marketplace startup" with little or unsuitable equiptment,and employing a bunch of eager kids who also know nothing virtually guns.........the company motto..."How hard tin can information technology be.....to make a 1860 rifle?.....hey we have even got electricity continued.....maybe they should get back to making reality TV shows........"how to ready yer guns".........or more to the betoken..."how to set our guns"

07-nineteen-2018,03:36 AM

Two things strike me looking at this moving picture:
1) Long odd hammer spur
2) Strange hammer jump arrengement.

07-19-2018,08:55 AM

I have a customer that bought one and I'thousand making another barrel for it and then he tin can switch calibers. I decided to get i for myself and ended upward with ii to get the dealer cost. While the action looks good I'm not sold on a few things. The hammer can be bobbed to make it look amend. The primary spring transfer bar is very heavy which will deadening downwardly lock time. The face of the breach block is held on with two screws and the firing pin is a bit on the big side ( no trouble with BP cartridges). The barrel shoulder is on the within of the frame instead of the face of the frame, thread bore is i.125". Biggest concern is that they did away with ane of the Remington safety features. The "locking lug" on a Remington holds the breach block closed merely also keeps the trigger from existence pulled when the breach is open. On the Tippmann it does not extend back nether the trigger and allows the trigger to be pulled which volition drop the hammer downward till it rest on the breach block. Then when the alienation is closed the hammer drops to the half cock. The trigger is a potent heavy one just if it fails the gun goes off.
The action is drilled on top for 1 telescopic base of operations screw. While I'g pleased that someone is making rollers at a reasonable price I recall they should have followed the Remington a bit closer. The frame is made from 4140 steel and is said to be able to hold 52,000 psi which would brand it equally stiff equally the #5 activeness. Alienation cake and hammer pins are smaller bore than the Remington.

07-19-2018,12:21 PM

I'd rather buy an sometime surplus Rolling Block armed forces and build up a Rolling Block myself. The Tippman does nothing for me in looks or role.

07-19-2018,12:34 PM

Thanks kenton, John Taylor et al. I volition keep all this in mind when I go the gun and try it out. I will report back to the forum with a "range report" and my impressions. I expected to "bob" the hammer and possibly add a vernier rear sight. I want to be able to accurately shoot my "Ruger-level" .44 magnum loads with 280 and 310 grain boolits in something other than my SBH revolvers. Tippmann's reputation on all their other products is top notch. All volition be revealed in time.

07-19-2018,05:38 PM

i've also been toying with buying a tippmann activity and building a .45-lxx off information technology using a custom hoyt butt. i recollect the longhorn hammer ear is dumb and needs bobbing. i kinda like the replaceable coil spring instead of a lever. the barrel threads are 1-1/8x24. speaking with tippmann, i'thou told the single trigger is only surface hardened and comes with a 3.5# to 4# pull, which is unacceptable for whatsoever target game and could be a deal breaker.

07-xix-2018,09:16 PM

Reading this " Kills Me " ! I own a bunch of rolling blocks all but i that is made in Spain ( Star ) were congenital pre 1898 antiques. Why someone cannot build a quality rolling block..... is merely being to cheap a$$ed.
I am not saying a gun maker tin't build a plastic stocked bolt action that will easily shoot MOA for less merely with today's investment casting and auto abilities I don't empathize why we cant make something equal or better than was being made 130 years agone ?
Without cutting corners tin't a US visitor build a $ 1000 rolling block that someone would be proud to own ?

Jedman

07-20-2018,12:xv PM

Thinking more about this. Until just recently with some looking around online I could still find a new Ruger # 1 for auction for $ yard or less. Looking at exploded views of a Remington # 1 rolling block action there are 26 parts that make information technology up, A Ruger # 1 has 53 parts. Have you ever seen a Ruger # one with a cheap hardwood stock ?
They all have Walnut stocks, nice checkering, polished metal with a good blueish finish a gun most would be proud to own. Would information technology non cost more to make 53 activity parts and get together them than 26 ?
A rolling cake tin can be assembled very easy, nearly without tools.
I would guess that a new United states fabricated rolling cake rifle would not sell in large enough numbers to be worth the investment to build them.

Jedman

07-20-2018,12:thirty PM

in that location'due south but no talk, no demand, and conspicuously no mainstream love for rolling cake rifles. information technology'due south conspicuously all near sharps, and make information technology U.s. built. until some United states company offers a solid 19th century roller rifle, i'll stick with my pedersoli rolling blocks.

07-20-2018,12:59 PM

Quote Originally Posted by kenton View Post

When I disassembled the burglarize I found the 2 pins measured .370, the holes in the action and the block measured .376-.377, simply the pin hole for the hammer measured .394

The problem is obvious here, that's just evidently sloppy tolerances and there's merely no excuse for that in a firearm! So the "gear up" you describe would make Bubba proud, they never even addressed the problem simply opted instead to effort and recoup for it resulting in trading one problem for another (the angled example heads), there's a lot of truth to the former adage that two wrongs don't make a right! The existent fix would be to bargain with the slop in the hammer/breech cake lockup which should non accept been all that hard to do but fifty-fifty if it was the so-called "fix" they used is simply inexcusable and says a lot about their quality control and how they perceive after sales support.

Besides the in a higher place problems that hammer is just manifestly UGLY!

07-21-2018,06:43 AM

Quote Originally Posted by rfd View Post

there'southward but no talk, no demand, and clearly no mainstream love for rolling block rifles. it'south clearly all about sharps, and make information technology USA congenital. until some United states of america company offers a solid 19th century roller burglarize, i'll stick with my pedersoli rolling blocks.

Lone Star made extremely high quality rolling blocks, on par with Shiloh and CSA. They were very successful. Sadly, the business died with the owner. I'm surprised that no one has taken over that operation.

07-21-2018,06:56 AM

yes, dave higginbotham created some wonderful rollers using real remington actions. with his departure, i'm relegated to pedersoli rollers, which i can detect no fault with equally they are truly excellent guns that just have that offshore stigma they can't seem to shake.

07-21-2018,07:10 AM

i'll put in a boost for pedersoli, a .45-70 roller, match grade barrel, double set triggers, american walnut pistol grip stock, for $1200 @ DGW. this gun sells elsewhere for $1750. if you tin can get over the offshore branding, THIS is the roller to get over any tippmann. y'all tin can down load a .45-70 to accurate 200 grand mouse f@rt greaser levels with smokeless trail boss, or run full tilt boogie with a virtual .45-ninety PPB black powder cartridge, or annihilation in betwixt.

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07-21-2018,08:38 AM

Still happy with an original!

Ali Buithe

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